Council
Meeting
Held
Wednesday, November 30, 2011
Host: Ms. Delia J. Johnson
INTRODUCTION
Ms. Delia L. Johnson, Co-Chair of
the Council and Director, Office of Civil Rights for International Broadcasting
Bureau, opened the meeting with a few remarks and then asked the attendees to
give their names, agencies, and positions.
Jorge Ponce, Council’s Co-Chair,
introduced the guest speaker, EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum. Mr. Ponce indicated that during her Senate
confirmation hearing in November 2009, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer
introduced her, and indicated that she had “unsurpassed judicial temperament.”
On March 27, 2010, President Obama appointed her as an EEOC Commissioner
through a recess appointment. She was confirmed by the Senate in December 2010
for a term ending on July 1, 2013.
Mr. Ponce emphasized to Commissioner
Feldblum that the Council’s no. 1 priority was to get EEOC to issue guidance by
FY 2012 on the interference by Offices of General Counsel in the processing of
discrimination in the federal sector.
The Council conducted a survey on this matter in October 2003,
shared the results with EEOC, and has been waiting since 2003 for EEOC to
address this issue. He asked
Commissioner Feldblum for her assistance, and she agreed to follow up on it.
EEOC Commissioner Chai Feldblum
Commissioner Feldblum focused her
remarks on the federal sector side at EEOC.
She stated that EEOC will release a new strategic plan in January 2012 –
as soon as the Office of Management and Budget clears it.
Regarding pending issues,
Commissioner Feldblum highlighted the following three: 1) the lack of
categorization in hearings and appeals based on their complexity. If agreed to in the strategic plan, EEOC will
develop some categorizations for these categories; 2) the need to develop a
strategic approach to civil rights, as EEOC has fewer resources which forces
the Commission to be more strategic on what it looks at. She recommended looking at what the
priorities are in civil rights in the federal sector, looking and analyzing a
“few” of these trends, and picking a small group of federal agencies to address
the barriers found; and, 3) do a more comprehensive 1614 regulations re-write. She agreed with attorney Ernest Hadley’s
position that the pending revised 1614 regulations were like putting a Band-Aid
on a hemorrhaging patient. She told EEOC Chair Jacqueline A. Berrien several
months earlier that these revised 1614 regulations could not be all that the
Commission did to enhance the processing of discrimination complaints in the
federal sector, and she asked that a sentence be added to the regulatory agenda
published by the EEOC that expressly stipulated that “EEOC will continue to
review the federal sector process.” Commissioner Feldblum is personally
committed to seeing a new and comprehensive NPRM for the 1614 regulations
issued before her term is over in July 2013.
But the first step has to be the issuance of the revised 1614
regulations in 2012 before embarking on major surgery to the process. She asked Council members to e-mail her at chai.feldblum@eeoc.gov
by March 2012 with suggested changes that they wanted to the administrative
system to process discrimination complaints in the federal sector. She
emphasized that Commissioners Ishimaru’s and Griffin’s reports on improving the
processing of discrimination complaints in the federal sector already include
lots of useful information to start with, and indeed those reports should be
posted on the EEOC webpage.
A Council member from the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission indicated that it takes time and effort to implement
changes in the federal sector.
Therefore, why concentrate on the Band-Aid changes, instead of on the
major surgery? Commissioner Feldblum
responded that she understood the frustration of EEO practitioners because just
having a Band-Aid can sometimes be distracting to having the major surgery. But one has to start somewhere, although she
would much better prefer having a high-powered IV to keep the patient hydrated.
Commissioner Feldblum stated that
the goal of all civil rights programs was to empower employees with an
environment that was free of discrimination.
Co-Chair Ponce asked for her reaction to the fact that an average year
has 95% no finding and only 5% finding decisions. Commissioner Feldblum responded that these
data don’t capture the positive effect of pre-complaint settlements, and that
EEOC should change how it reports the current data to highlight more those
pre-complaint and formal-stage settlements.
Focusing on the no finding/finding decisions only paints a narrow
picture that detractors use to argue that there is not a problem of
discrimination, when there unfortunately still is. Co-Chair Ponce stated that this conflict is
referred often by detractors who question the impartiality of the current
process as “the fox guarding the hen house.” Co-Chair Johnson indicated that
just because EEOC issues no-finding decisions, this does not mean that federal
agencies will not take corrective actions on issues that are not related to
discrimination. She said that they do in most instances.
Commissioner Feldblum suggested that
it would be educational for EEOC to host a public meeting in which the
Commission actually heard a few federal sector cases before issuing orders in
those cases. That would reinforce for
the public that the Commission is an adjudicatory body with regard to the
federal sector.
A Council member from the USDA asked
for Commissioner Feldblum’s reaction to an incident whereby an African-American
supervisor told a White employee that “he had gotten on his last black
nerve.” That began an interesting
dialogue, as Commissioner Feldblum facilitated a discussion with the audience
regarding what was the claimed discrimination here. Commissioner Feldblum ultimately suggested
that perhaps EEOC could issue further guidance on what constitutes
discrimination or illegal harassment under Title VII, as compared to what are
simply basic civility rules for treating employees with respect and dignity –
even if not actionable harassment.
Commissioner Feldblum stated that
EEO does not mean treating everyone the same, because people are different to
begin with. One must learn about diversity,
and how different people react differently based on their cultural and ethnic
backgrounds. She noted that we may sometimes need a translation code to
interpret behaviors because of our differences.
Co-Chair Ponce stated that ombudsmen were the perfect candidates to
provide this translation code for behaviors that were not EEO-related – like
those pertaining to bullying.
A Council member from the Federal
Deposit Insurance Corporation referred to Co-Chair Ponce’s remarks about the
unfairness perception of the EEO process.
He indicated that this was not a perception, but it was a fact. He referred to the practice of issuing
supplemental to Reports of Investigation, and how this was done consistently to
make managers look good and win at all costs.
This Council member identified another problem with the current practice
to allow Complainants to file an unlimited number of complaints without
providing a benchmark for when enough was enough. Commissioner Feldblum said that perhaps a
solution to the latter challenge could be found if the EEOC were to begin a
categorization process, and then a low-level categorization could be assigned
to those complaints.
A Council member from Treasury
complained about a recent practice at EEOC to change the MD-715 “instructions”
without consulting first with federal agencies.
A Council member from the Air Force
recommended the institutionalization of barrier analysis training in coming
years – given the current austere budgetary environment. He indicated that the barrier analysis
training provided by EEOC costs an average of $1,000, so the Air Force is
developing its own training at a much cheaper price. He suggested that EEOC should consider giving
free online training on barrier analysis – like OPM has done with HR-related
topics. Commissioner Feldblum indicated
that, in her opinion, the only paid training offered by EEOC should be the
EXCEL Conference, and everything else should be offered for free. However, she said that she was sure that the
EEOC’s Chief Financial Officer would disagree with her on that and that she was
probably in the minority with her fellow EEOC Commissioners on this issue.
Co-Chair Ponce asked Commissioner
Feldblum if President Obama won re-election in 2012 and nominated her for a
position to serve in the U.S. Supreme Court, whether she would accept it. Commissioner Feldblum laughed, and she
responded that this would be the “only” position that she would accept in the
public sector. Otherwise, her current plan is to return to her work as a Professor
of Law at Georgetown University Law Center in 2013. But she expects to continue to work on EEOC
issues from that position.
A Council member Treasury indicated
that her agency had invested in a state-of-the-art automated system that
generated at the push of a button all the MD-715 tables and other statistical
information throughout the year. Using the EEOC’s FIRES system would be a step
backward for Treasury. They have reached
out to EEOC on this matter, but they were not listening. EEOC is modifying the MD-715 instructions to
fit the FIRES requirements – without consulting federal agencies. Commissioner Feldblum indicated that it
seemed to make more sense to have FIRES limited to federal agencies that lack
or have inferior automated systems to generate statistical information. She suggested that the Council should
schedule a meeting with the Office of Federal Operations, and to come with a
proposed solution, not just a statement of the problem. Commissioner Feldblum noted that she
understood that the data people at OFO were trying to create a new and better
system that could be centralized. But
there should be some way to accommodate agencies that were already ahead of the
curve and not make them use a less effective system. Co-Chairs Ponce and Johnson agreed to reach
out to OFO for a December 2011 meeting with the Council’s Executive Board.
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